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Hi there. It's me Renee welcome back to the unstuffed podcast I have a super special episode for you guys today because this is episode 100 I wanted to do something but.
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Because today is episode a hundred I wanted to do something really special and I'm gonna try to get through this without laughing. Um because I felt like it would be really good, really cool to have Tom on the episode with me since. He has been a big part of the downsizing journey the minimalist journey and people ask a lot of questions about like how did your husband respond when you said you wanted to downsize and you know how did your husband feel how did that go you know or people who struggle with decluttering because their husbands don't want to. So we're gonna dive into all of those things today since that stuff I get asked about a lot ah just bear with us because while I can do interviews with just about everybody. Ah Tom and I tend to have bouts of the giggles and. He's also a 100 % introverted person who really is pushing his comfort zone to be on this podcast today. So I am very excited um to have it on. We're gonna dive into all the goodness but before we do I wanted to read 1 of my one of the reviews for the unstuffed podcast back to you guys. These reviews mean so much to me I absolutely love reading them. So if you're a longtime listener of the podcast I would love it if you took a minute or 2 minutes to drop a 5 star review and leave me a little comment like this to let me know how the podcast is impacting you.
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Today's reviews is from live mac v maybe it says we're a match I don't know if it's your voice your story the content of what you're talking or if I just have found someone that knows exactly what I need to hear. Your podcast makes me feel calmer and makes me want to change even more I admire the way you turned your life around and you didn't let yourself be another victim of our everyday life I love how positive you are. Thank you for being you honest, funny straight to the point love listening to your podcast. Thank you Thank you? Thank you. Libby. Thank you so much libby for taking the time to leave that those these types of reviews just make my heart sing because this podcast has been something that has been on my heart for years. So taking those bold steps to actually make it happen is really nerve-wracking so I love so much that it's helping any of you all of you impacting you guys in some way and these reviews just mean the absolute world to me. So thank you for that and now we're gonna. Try to dive into this episode I don't know how this is gonna go but ah hi Tom.
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What I love yeah you you can talk. What you? Okay, so on the part just like focus on the I get the the this. Okay so I talk a lot on the podcast. About our downsizing about minimalism and everything like that. But people ask a lot of times like how you felt about when we downsized but before we talk about that I thought it would be fun to talk about ah when we bought our big house because it was a really stressful thing. Really for you. It was stressful for me. But do you like if you want to talk about how you felt before we before we sign the papers to downsize because like I remember so. What had happened is that we were looking for a house. We had all of these expectations we wanted I wanted like room for a photography studio. We wanted to have rooms for each of the kids. Ah we had all of these expectations and we had looked through all of these houses none of them were right and we were living in Tom's
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Parents basement for three weeks after our townhouse had sold and so when we both kind of started to have reservations about our big house. It was just really stressful because our older daughter was living with her friends so that she could be closer to school. We were living in his parents' basement which was like. Half hour away um and you know backing out of the sale would have added a whole level of stress so like the day we went in just are the day before the day before we went to sign the papers. How did you feel.
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Stressed overwhelmed I didn't want the house I felt that it was gonna create problems financially and I was worried about what it was gonna do to us with the extra stress that it put on me I really. Didn't want that house on.
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I knew the payment was not what I wanted it was just I I was felt very overwhelmed, really stressed out and I wanting the back out of it I mean obviously with. Kind of rushed and called a different realtor just to go look at a couple other houses to see what else was available but we did I don't remember that. Yeah we looked at a couple other houses and that neighborhood over there. Sorry no, it's okay, yeah oh. Um, that one that had that really really tiny drive. Yeah I remember the tiny driveway I guess I didn't remember that was like a last ditch that was like ah that was two days we looked at one two days before we signed and one one day before we signed with a different realtor. Yeah with the different realtor. Obviously it is a realtor that was selling those houses but they're both in the same kind of same neighborhood close to where we're living just to see what else was available and all that. But obviously we would ah lost our down payment and everything like that so tells another stressor on top of that. Yeah. So like when you say like the payment would be stressful. This is something that I always think back on this is something we talk about all the time that um, we kept getting like an estimate on what our monthly payment would be and like as the date got closer to sign the papers.
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The numbers just went higher and higher and higher and higher because you were really concerned about the monthly than a monthly number and at first we thought it would be like an additional like three $400 a month and that was already like okay like that's pushing our comfort zones. But then it was like no, it's gonna be 500 more? No, it's gonna be 701 and then just kind of kept climbing. Higher and higher like which and I've learned is a really unprofessional experience for our realtor to have done that to have given us those numbers and kind of like misled us in that way. Well then kind of talking me into taking a loan on my 4 on one k for a down't payment. Yeah stuff like. Yeah that's so obviously we used somebody that we thought we could trust and so very difficult. Yeah, it was. It was a really stressful situation but all no I think I've had people ask me like you specifically since you were like the sole breadwinner. Um, like I had my photography business at the time but tom was like our main you are our main focus like which I think is something really good. We decided on decided to do early on was like we are gonna live off of your income. My income is just kind of like background income. We always made sure we could get by with just your one income rather than like planning our life off to um, I'm thankful for that. But being that main provider I've had people ask me like what kind of stress that put on you.
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Um, well I mean because well maybe like my position at work. Obviously I'm salary so it's not like I can try and put in any extra time to get extra hours and extra money and all that because no matter what I work I'm bringing home the same amount of money. So I mean there's times where I felt I needed to go get a second job just to provide because we were living pretty much living paycheck to paycheck for this house I don't I feel like I think back and I'm like I don't think we needed to I mean like we obviously we. I don't feel I don't feel like we mens our money the best and stuff like that we could have did a better job kind of prioritizing things and stuff like that. But I mean you know it's just it was a lot higher than what we wanted to pay being in that kind of a neighborhood. You know I was kind of a a wealthier neighborhood and I mean than what we were in and all that kind of felt like we had to kind of live more of that lifestyle up with the joneses. Yeah, keep keep up with you know everything like that which put a lot of stress on me and I mean just. Obviously we didn't I didn't feel like we had. We didn't have time for each other and our kids really is this pretty much trying to maintain our house and everything like that. So do you think if we could have better managed our money because we were bad that we just spent like.
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Without thought whenever we wanted something. We just bought it whenever we like wanted to go out to eat Lu and o t we didn't really think about it I think that was bad but that and then like if you could have let go because this didn't really affect me as much as it did you but like. If you could have let go of the idea that like you had to have your housebook a certain way or we had to keep up so if we were able to manage our money and you weren't worried about what other people thought do you think we would have stayed in that house or would you have wanted to um I'm like a lime is was a beautiful home I mean. Obviously we kind of like that neighborhood ever since we lived in that area in our townhouse. Um, after being in that house though. No it was too much. Yeah I I really like that we're in a smaller house. It's easier to maintain. It's ah I mean. We spent hours just cleaning that thing we had multiple rooms that we didn't need that we felt like we had to fill. Um, we don't mean we don't need that formal dining room. We don't need a formal living room right? Um, we didn't need the loft. We didn't need.
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Five Five bathrooms I mean there was just it was too much so my I mean to me it this it was too much I mean people people love that stuff like they don love those houses and all that I mean that's great for them. But I mean I it's too much for me. Yeah. I know it was like all these things I was really excited to have like I remember our master bedroom had like the double doors. It's like oh my god I always wanted the double doors you know and never it was like I remember just walking to turn the light on. Yeah, so like a tugging out horror. That's our very first night staying and in the house. We were like in our bed and our room was just like a dresser and a bed like it's basically we had less than we do now. But the room was like 3 times this high those is huge and did you go to turn the light on yeah because the lights were off and Tom was furthest away from the light switch. So. Have the lights off in the middle of the night and he's got up to go turn the light switch on and as he's walking he goes I'm almost there like he had to give me an update on where he was because like the dirty was so long to get there. Um, and it's kind of funny because it really was and it was just like something I wanted so bad. But then we. Got it and was like oh like this I just yeah, it felt like so much excess to me, it felt really gross like we don't need all of this space. But I mean I mean I said I this beautiful house I mean I've always I mean because I obviously you know my aunt and uncles had.
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Few of mountain taockles have really big houses bigger than the house that we lived in and I was always kind of jealous of it and I always wanted something like that when we got it. It's it was too much. Yeah, that same I mean I'd rather spend my weekends you know with you and the kids or. Going on our hikes going mountain biking and stuff like that versus trying to clean that thing I know well that's what I remember you saying so I don't remember what you said exactly. But you're talking about the payment um like our monthly payment. Were like we could just be doing so much else with this money like if we weren't putting it all just just to live here like we were paying just to like live in that house just to stay there. Um, and you said that I was like yeah makes so I don't know but just like kind of clicked with me in a way where it was like yeah like even if we could free up like five hundred bucks or something like $500 you could do a lot of. Stuff with like we can go on vacations. We wouldn't have to yeah like less stressful vacations you know because I feel like our vacations at the time I felt obligated like we have to go on vacations because I wanted to take vacations with just you I was always worried about like our marriage falling apart because I grew up in like. My broken home families. So I like always wanted to prioritize vacations with you but it almost felt like just 1 more thing like we have to have this vacation. It just became like another obligation I think and then we came home and it just like I feel like instantly went right back.
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And even when we went on vacation we were still stressed. Do you feel like that now like when we go on vacation I mean you are a ball of stress. So I don't know but um, not so much now. Yeah like I feel like I don't need like. When Tom and I first went on our first allinclusive vacation. We were both like laying in the pool maybe like had a drink in our hand or nearby and I think like 1 of us asked the other one like are you relaxed I think it was me I like are you relaxed you were like no not all like it was like so hard to like unwind and just exist. And just enjoy the vacation and then we came home and it was still stressful to come back home but I don't feel like that now like I'm happy to come home I don't think I felt that before actually enjoy when I'm gone yeah have vacations and stuff like that. No. Feel like I enjoy what I'm gone but are you glad to come home. Um I mean depends on where I'm at yeah if I'm in the moment I never want to come home. But I mean I like coming home to our house. Yeah, it's simple. It's easy. Yeah, that's I don't feel like I've got to come home and.
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Next day I got to spend 5 hours cleaning it right see quick easy pick pick up and yeah, so that's okay so I still remember and I shared this story before about like one I thought we should downsize. Think I had just been reading a lot of like self-help spiritual books and had come across like the minimalist their documentary and I had read I think at this point I had read books on minimalism but it hadn't been like a big thing in my life and I had kind of gone through in decluttered my closet and just wanted less stuff to maintain but it was mostly like a spiritual thing for me like. I didn't want to be attached to my things anymore. But I remember sitting in like that big green reading chair which I loved and we probably should have kept since now you're like on a mission for that exact same chair basically but um I was just like oh my god I just had like this epiphany like this really good idea. But. We weren't really talking to each other very much at the time like our relationship was really strained financially. You were stressed because you were always stressed I like spent maybe the first year or so like always trying to make sure you're okay and always trying to be happy and I was always trying to earn more money and like. I wanted to be like the buffer to make everything okay because I knew things weren't and I knew you were stressed and then like then I decided like I didn't want to be in charge of your emotions anymore because I'm not. You're in charge of your emotions but then like that just kind of meant like.
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Just didn't really talk anymore then because I wasn't trying to like you know, be all like happy and cheerful around you anymore I just kind of kept my distance from you and so like I remember coming up to talk to you was like I was like really excited but I wanted to like play it really. Pre play it cool because I I'm such a like I have a genius idea you know I'm like so quick to have all my wonderful ideas. Um, and you're like so quick to shoot them all down tell me all the things that didn go ah tell you the good end. The bad. Yeah, you're quick to be like. Like oh I have this really good idea and you're like well yes, and no let's fuck em. Oh I Just not a good Idea. So I Give you a pros and cons. Yeah, largely. Cons. Um, or maybe I just take it harder because I'm such a optimist. But um I came upstairs. You were sitting in our giant bedroom that was still like really empty. It Was. We didn't have anything in it and I think that's a sign like we didn't really want that much Stuff. We never like filled it I didn't ever want to fill it. I've always been I've never had much. Yeah I never know. Yeah, it was this big space and I felt like I had to fill it but I didn't want to like it just felt like too much. But anyway you were sitting in there and I remember coming up and kind of being like hey you know we've been kind of stressed and I like eased my way into it but told you that I thought we should Downsize. Ah.
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I feel like I remember how you responded do you remember how you felt I don't remember exactly how I felt I just I just felt like like relieved like a. Ah, weight was lifting off my shoulders I mean like happy. Let's do this. Let's start looking. Um, even though like we just refinanced the house because our property taxes kept going up. So I mean our house payment kept going up so we had refinance and still just to get. I mean still to be paying more than what we originally went in and stuff like that. But I it was I was like relieved I like I wanted Automat house so bad and it just felt like like a new a fresh news. Sorry well. That's how I remember like I feel like you got like ah like your eyes lit up and you got like a smile on your face but and you were like but we just refinance it was like you were saying all of the k like the reasons that it would be a bad idea. We just refinanced and like how are we gonna be. Youre doing it like let's like excited like you really really want us to too that though. Um, and something I think back on is something I talk about is like I can't remember what it's called now I'm thinking now that I'm saying it I can't think um sunken cost fallacy.
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Sunken cost fallacy is like people don't want to keep putting money into something or people want to keep putting money into something because they've already put money into it. You know like or people have already invested their time in something that's like if you're in a relationship that was like terrible and bad. But you keep staying in it for longer because you're like well I've already we're already together and we already share stuff. You know, 17 years Yeah 17 years yeah ah hilarious um but like what the house I remember kind of having that feeling like I didn't know about the sunken cost fallacy. But like that someone else would have stayed in the house people would have stayed in the house because like they're already in the house. They're already putting their money toward the house but like I just remember thinking like there was that part of me that felt like we should just stay here make this work but the other part of me was like or we should just like cut our losses right now and just get the hell out of here. Um, and whatever and I said that I'm like whatever thing goes, whatever goes bad goes bad like it's just gonna have to go bad because we need to reset and that was the only way I felt like our marriage would survive our family would survive and that was way more important to me than just like forcing the house to work. But I think about that and I think about. When we first send the papers a big part of why we didn't back out of the sale which seems so dumb to me now like we were so dumb it was like we didn't want to back out of the sale and our because our realtor kept saying like you'll lose that 2000 because we put 2000 down and now I'm like oh my god we would have lost on $2000 big fricking deal like compared to.
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Compare to you figure because I mean we're what five six hundred dollars more month and what than what we wanted to be. We could have easily got something for that price. So we would have made that up in right 3 to four months. Yeah, exactly. Yeah I mean obviously you don't think about that. Yeah I remember that being a huge thing and now I'm like oh you should have just. Like all the 2000 and not cared. Um, it would have been hard. It would have been stressful to not buy the house now hindsight it's like well that's what we should have done obviously and I hear from people who say that because we shared our story because I talk about our downside. They don't. Were like oh we were about to buy this big house and we didn't we were about to upsize and I didn't feel right about it. So I didn't and thanks so much. Um, which it's huge I think that gut instinct is so important and I've ignored mine so many times in my life and that was one of the times.
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I just tried to like make everything. Okay, so. I know when we started talking about potentially downsizing I was saying that I really wanted like a 1 level because that's what my grandma lived in and I loved that house but you didn't really want on 1 level at first at first I didn't know I've been like split level. Yeah I want to you? Well I mean I Don know that summar reason of I always like to split entries. Glad they were in a a rambler right now I would never want anything about a rambler going forward. Um I just remembered like they were putting up. Split entries and we actually looked at them before we moved into that that another house and they were just like raised reasonably price and stuff like that. That's why I wanted that but but no no and I'm most of the Ram. There's that that we looked at I didn't like the layouts on this stuff. I really like our house I like said I'd ramblers the way I want to go yeah from here on I feel like we allowed ourselves to dream a little bit I don't know if I've shared on the podcast. The story about how we got our house. Maybe I will really quick. Um.
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But that I feel like we were like we want on one level and we we wanted bedrooms for all the kids if possible. Um and we wanted like a master bathroom for ourselves because that was something we always really liked. Having was our own private bathroom really wanted an open floor plan but in our area at the time there was like no ramblers. 1 levels were like not a thing um and we have an unfinished basement and we said like we liked the idea of an unfinished or like a walkout basement. So that's 1 thing our house doesn't have but we actually went and looked at our neighbor's house like I'm literally looking at the house that our neighbors live in. We went there first cause that house was for sale and it's beautiful like they had done it really nicely. It's ah, what's it called Modified Twotor Modified twoory and I remember I'm such a creeper and I was just talking to I was just talking to tell him about this. Other name but I'm like I laid in their bed like a weirdo and I was like this isn't this doesn't feel right? This doesn't feel like my house. It's because you have I because I like lot of but I was saying like it just didn't feel right. But it was like within our price range. It was a beautiful house. It was in the area we wanted to be in well then I made like every house that we looked at I mean we want to go put an offer on and I was sold right? strange like you pretty much had to put an off on anything you anything you, you were somewhat interested in that time yet, but not for yeah, there was that stress behind it.
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And like we were starting to look in like different cities which we didn't really want to do. We liked our city approximate with with with some offers and I think like yeah yeah, so I think it just felt really exciting to find something that was nice that was where we wanted to be but it just didn't feel right? So we left that house. To go put an offer and we went to write up the offer at like a local restaurant with our realtor at the time our new realtor and we were leaving and point to our house now were like I wish the neighbors were selling and we kind of like laugh like yeah, that would be perfect because it was a 1 level. We're like all that'd be perfect. That's exactly what we want. Um, our offer was denied on the house. The first house. Our neighbor's house and it was like maybe I feel like a month later couple weeks later our realtor called us about our house about this house and showed us. We're like oh and it was one of those things like instantly like we. Put our shoes on and got out the door to go come look at this as fast as we could and I remember being like oh the address is familiar. This is a familiar address I was like oh my god this because it's right next door and and we realized like this was the house that we literally said we wanted which is so freaking weird to me. Um. It's everything. Yes, it's everything we wanted except for like we would have preferred 1 more bedroom in an unfintished basement but we need to no maybe not fish face walk on Waco based that lockup basement. You know what I mean. Okay, so now that we've been here.
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For 7 years over 7 years now. Ah and we still have the unfinished basement but we've talked sort of about finishing it. Do you still want to finish it I would like to It's not not a priority but I mean I would like to yeah I like having a finished basement. Think more and more I'm like easing up to the idea but like the last few years I've been like adamant against like have not wanted to finish it. I'm sure if Joe and Dana finish theirs makes you want to finish ours more but okay, our neighbors our neighbors finish their basement and it looks really nice I just don't want anything else to clean or vacuum like. Already vacuum down there cause there's so much tucker hair our dogs hairs everywhere. So I already vacuum but unfinished basement and all I think is like this's just be 1 more place for people to trash and one area for me to have to clean up. But now that our kids are becoming teenagers right? I this like some that. Separate us from the kids or their friends and some like that. Yeah and they don't have Tvs in their rooms. So we have one Tv oh we have on in the basement. Oh yeah, well do not. We have a Tv in the unfinished basement but it'd be nice to have a like a setup right? Anyway. So like you were saying when we were I was talking about the our old bedroom. Um, that we didn't really like have a bunch of furniture in it or anything like that and I felt overwhelmed at the idea of adding more furniture which I didn't think I would I was so excited to like you know I loved the idea of having a loft and things like that and then we had the loft and I'm like what am I supposed to do with this space.
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I don't know like I just felt like I'm gonna to fill it but fill it with what like we don't need another couch we already had we already had a family room. We had a living room. We had a formal living room I'm like what am I supposed to do with a loft. It just felt like so much and I was like I guess I could make it into like a library space but that would be like another couchy area and like how many couchy areas do I need. Um. Wasn't like a normal size loft was it was huge. Well yeah, but what's a normal size loft I don't know it's it was a big space. But when we already had all these other spaces. It was just it felt like so much. Um, but yeah, 1 thing I tell people is that you were. Very minimalist when I met you and I wasn't so much.
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Talk about it just I just ah like you're the reason that I learned to have less I don't I don't I've never liked clutter I don't like hutter I I I don't know. I don't I don't like having I don't like having stuff around that I don't use or that I don't need I've always been one like if I had something and I didn't use it for a few months whatever I just felt like I don't need it. Don't need to hang on to it. You're rid of it. Yeah i. I know I never really liked having stuff around that I don't feel that I need but but somebody else somebody else needs. A let them let them have it let them use it I yeah I just I've always felt like that I just don't like having extra stuff extra stuff to. Take care of extra stuff to clean out the bow. No I get it. You've always, you're always really quick. But I mean like a little too quick in my opinion where I I think like um, you know like you like something would get dirty and you would just be like. Away and it was like well no like how but we clean the dirty thing you know that kind of thing like repair some of the stuff and yeah I mean some of the stuff was obviously I got get remember it too quick and then I'd end up buying anyone. Yeah a couple months later and stuff like that. But but for the most part I think it's been okay.
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But like I know when I first met you I was like a big pack or that I remember but I don't know if you remember this tell me if you do but like when we first started dating I and I moved into your apartment with you I bought I brought like my big box of like memories and it was just like a big memory box from like mostly high school stuff. And I was like trying to walk through each thing and like tell you about it and you just looked so bor like you didn't not care at all that I just kind of realized like I guess the stuff really isn't important. You know like it kind of it didn't make me feel sad like I didn't feel like you were being mean you could just see your like. Lack of enthusiasm on your face where I was like trying to make you like laugh about a pipe cleaner I think it was like a pipe cleaner and I'm like no but like something really funny happened but I couldn't remember what it was like and that's what I mean like I was like hoarder like I had like pipe cleaners and like balloons and like just random pieces of stuff that I had collected from high school. And now I think back and I think I was probably high school is a really tough time for me that was like my relationship with my dad was broken I no longer talked to my first step dad my mom and my current stepdad were fighting all the time like my home life was a joke. So I like really clung to my friends. So I think by having all of those memories like it felt like I can keep the good times like kind of hang onto the highlights of my life but I actually decluttered my um, my memory box because of because of you.
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You remember that though or no I remember you having the box I remember well yeah I'm sure you trying to introduce me to everything in there. Yeah I did and the closet. So I remember that and then I remember like ah my closet when we met. Like I would just shove everything in my closet. It was just like there I like scoop up all the hangar and just dump them in the closet and all the hangers would overlap and you were like how do your you hated that make my hangers overlapped one another and that like I had like wire your hangers plastic hangerss like whatever kind of hangar was just like all in there and shoved together. But like you know you want to tell the audience talk Tom what your closet looks like it's neat and organized but like specific hangers for specific shirts. You know I like the wood hangerss for my shirts so slowly they'll. So I don't leave those little mu nipples on your little nipples up the shoulders but the plastic hairers too. Um I like them my stuffs like color coordinated from light to dark color coordinated from black. So blue to white and that's it. That's I got gray now wella okay gray but I have like my t-shirts my polos and then my log sleeves. Yeah I got the thicker plastic hangers for my pants because those thinner ones lead creasees.
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That's valid. Yeah, it's just so funny like I I Just like didn't care at all. Everything was just shoved in there. However, the heck I could get it in and there was perfectly space to part. Yeah finger with the part hangers I'm not quite there but I did adapt like now I have all white hangers and I have like what ones for my pants. But. So. It's I remember the day I color coordinated my stuff and I like was so excited to show you I was I like rainbow color coordinated all my clothes and I think I separated them like yours were and it was so much Easier. So like I appreciate those little quirks.
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All right feels like we're reminding down four down. Hu yeah I just wanted to I wanted to share with you guys a little bit about Tom's side because I can say Tom's side all I want but um I don't know I think it's kind of nice to hear. Both people's perspectives. So my other thing that I tell people this is what I should really say is because a lot of times I hear from people my spouse doesn't want to declutter but I want less and one thing I always say is like you never told me I should have less you never were like. Get rid of your stuff. It's too much. You're driving me crazy. You were never like I might really don't care I guess I mean if that's stuff that you want and stuff that you feel that you have to have that's fine I just I don't want the I don't need the extras extra clutter I don't want it? yeah. I've always I mean love I've I've always lived a minimal lifestyle. Yeah now. So I always say like I appreciate that about you and I think that like because if you would have been like you should get rid of that that memory box or you should clear some of this out or you've got too many clothes. I would have like dug in my heels and wanted more clothes and I would have never gotten rid of my memory balance because like you're threatening it. You're trying to take it away from me. Um by you not saying anything. It made me like made me want to just by seeing how much easier.
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Everything was for you to manage like your laundry took less time. You know you just like things like that like it would it was easier for you to put stuff away took so much time for me to put stuff away. Yeah.
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There anything nice to say about me, you're great. Thank you Thank you all right? Happy episode 100 I do guys. Um I hope this was helpful I hope it was kind of maybe fun to listen to and we got through it. Okay. Of times Tom and I can get into like little goggle giggle fits where we just can't even speak. So I think we did a pretty good job. But here's our little two- sided perspective of our downsizing journey I'm really glad we were able to share it with you guys. Thank you for hanging out with me for the last hundred episodes. Um, it means so much and to have been able to go through the last year and a half almost two years now with the podcast sharing all of these different things all of the journeys all of the changes that I've made. Yeah, it feels pretty awesome to be able to. Bring episode a hunter to you kind of going back to the very beginning I guess good job over Thanks.
